“Quiverfull” Cult Plans Arranged Marriage Camp For Teens

“Quiverfull” Cult Plans Arranged Marriage Camp For Teens


THE CULT BEHIND THE DUGGARS,
QUIVERFULL, IS HAVING A RETREAT – I’M SORRY, QUIVERFULL? IN ONE WORD. SO THE QUIVERFULL RELIGION IS
HAVING A RETREAT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ARRANGE A MARRIAGE FOR
THEIR PREPUBESCENT DAUGHTERS. AND THIS IS A SET OF STRIDENT
CHRISTIANITY, RIGHT? PRETTY MUCH. SO, PART OF THE RELIGION IS
THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MANY CHILDREN, YOU ARE
SUPPOSED TO GET MARRIED BEFORE THE AGE OF 20, AND YOU’RE
JUST SUPPOSED TO REPRODUCE. THERE ARE VERY TRADITIONAL
GENDER ROLES WITHIN THIS INTERPRETATION OF THE RELIGION,
AND SO AS A RESULT IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND THIS RETREAT ALL
YOU HAVE TO DO IS PAY $1200, AND YOU MEET WITH LIKE-MINDED
INDIVIDUALS WHO ALSO HAVE TEENAGE CHILDREN, AND THEN YOU
FIND A WAY TO NEGOTIATE AND ARRANGE A MARRIAGE FOR THEM. QUIVER FULL PATRIOTIC VAUGHN
OHLMAN, HAS PLANNED THIS RETREAT WHERE FUNDAMENTALIST FATHERS
WILL ARRANGE MARRIAGES FOR THEIR PREPUBESCENT DAUGHTERS AND
SONS. THIS IS DESIGNED TO HELP THEM
OVERCOME THE BARRIERS WHICH HAVE KEPT THEIR CHILDREN
UNMARRIED. BEFORE I GET INTO MORE DETAILS
ABOUT WHAT THEIR BELIEFS ARE AND WHY THEY ARE DOING THIS, I WANT
TO NOTE THAT ñ LOOK, THIS SOUNDS TERRIBLE AND I HATE THAT
THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY, BUT SIMILAR MOVEMENTS
HAPPEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD AND SOMETIMES THEY
ARE NOT EVEN TIED TO RELIGION. THERE’S THIS ISSUE OF SO-CALLED
LEFTOVER WOMEN IN CHINA THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ON THE SHOW
BEFORE. IN CHINA, IF YOU’RE A WOMAN WHO
WASN’T MARRIED BY THE AGE OF 25, THEN YOU HAVE BROUGHT GREAT
SHAME TO YOUR FAMILY. SO THEY HAVE THESE MARRIAGE
MARKETS WHERE PARENTS POST PROFILES OF THEIR KIDS AND TRY
TO GET THEIR KIDS MARRIED IN TIME SO THAT IT’S NOT, YOU
KNOW, THIS HUGE DISGRACE OF THE FAMILY THAT THEY’RE SINGLE
AND 30. HERE YOU HAVE AN ANSWER
COMPONENT OF RELIGION, AND I TRIED TO PUT DOWN CHINA OR
OTHER COUNTRIES, IT IS JUST A VERY COMMON ISSUE. I CAN PUT DOWN THIS PART OF
THAT CULTURE. IT’S HIDEOUS IN THE QUIVERFULL
MOVEMENT, IT’S HIDEOUS THAT IT’S HAPPENING HERE IN AMERICA. I’M AN AMERICAN, AND I CARE
ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING IN AMERICA MOST, BUT OF COURSE IT’S
HIDEOUS ALL OVER THE GLOBE, AND WE KNOW THAT THIS HAPPENS ALL
THE TIME IN THE MUSLIM WORLD, IN MUCH OF THE MUSLIM WORLD, AND
IN OTHER PLACES AS WELL. AND IT’S ALWAYS WRONG, AND
PARTICULARLY HERE THOUGH, WHERE WE HAVE ñ NOT PARTICULARLY HERE,
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WE’RE EXPOSED TO THE VALUE, AND
THERE’S NO WAY THESE PARENTS, UNLESS THEY ARE DELIBERATELY
IGNORANT, I FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE THAT THESE
PARENTS ARE NOT AWARE OF THE VALUE OF CHILDREN GROWING UP
TO SOME AGE OF MATURITY, AND TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR
OWN DECISIONS FOR WHO THEIR LIFE PARTNERS ARE GOING TO BE. THAT IS A CHOICE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WOMEN’S RIGHT
TO CHOOSE, IT IS NOT, WE’LL TALK ABOUT THIS RIGHT TO CHOOSE
BECAUSE WE ARE FOCUSED ON THAT RIGHT TO CHOOSE, BUT THIS RIGHT
TO CHOOSE IS AS ELEMENTARY AS THAT RIGHT TO CHOOSE. HOW YOU CHOOSE TO SPEND YOUR
LIFE, SPIRITUALLY, INTELLECTUALLY, AND IN A
RELATIONSHIP, IS THERE RIGHT, AND A CHOICE THAT THEY’LL MAKE
WITH A YOUNG MAN OR YOUNG WOMAN, WHICH I HOPE ALL OF THESE
WOMEN MAKE JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD DRIVE THEIR FATHERS
INSANE. IT’S INTERESTING BECAUSE
THERE IS THIS COMPONENT OF AGE, AND GETTING MARRIED BEFORE A
CERTAIN AGE AND MAKING SURE IT HAPPENS REGARDLESS IF YOUR
CHILDREN GIVE YOU THAT CONSENT OR NOT. THAT IS A COMMON THEME I’M
SEEING IN THE QUIVERFULL MOVEMENT, AND VAUGHN OHLMAN
TALKS ABOUT A VERY SPECIFICALLY WITH RELATION TO THIS RETREAT. “THE YOUTH READY FOR MARRIAGE
HAS BREASTS. WE BELIEVE THAT BREASTS HERE
STAND AS A SYMBOL FOR ALL FORMS OF FULL SECONDARY SEXUAL
CHARACTERISTICS.” WHAT THE? IS HE A DOCTOR? IT’S FUCKING DISGUSTING. HE BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE
HE’S TRYING TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT WHEN A GIRL IS READY FOR
MARRIAGE. FOR HIM IT’S LIKE, IF SHE’S NOT
BOOBS SHE’S READY. HER HUSBAND IS GOING TO ENJOY
THEM, SO SHE’S READY. THIS IS WHY WOMEN ñ IT WAS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE WHEN
PEOPLE LIVED TO BE 35 ñ AS THERE IS A WOMAN BECAME SEXUALLY
MATURE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW CAN HAPPEN AT 13 OR 14 YEARS
OLD, I JUST MEAN TECHNICALLY. NO SANE FATHER IN THE WORLD,
HERE’S WHAT A 13 OR Ä14 TO DO, GO TO EIGHTH-GRADE, DRINK
TOO MUCH ORANGE SODA. THAT’S WHAT 14-YEAR-OLDS DO. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, I HAVE A
DAUGHTER, THAT’S WHAT I HOPE 1424-YEAR-OLDS DO. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHATEVER
STATE THEY ARE IN, DO YOU HAVE THAT OFFHAND? THIS WOULD HAPPEN IN WICHITA,
KANSAS. SO WHEREVER VAUGHN OHLMAN IS,
THE KANSAS STATE POLICE, WHATEVER THAT IS, GET ON THAT. THAT GUY HAWKES, HAWKES. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE’S DONE,
BUT I’M A POLICE OFFICER AND I READ SOMEBODY WHO
TALK LIKE THAT, I’M INVESTIGATING IT, NO QUESTION. YOU KNOW WHAT HE SOUNDS LIKE? JOSEPH SMITH, WHO WAS MAKING UP
REASONS WHY IT WAS OKAY FOR HIM TO TAKE 11-YEAR-OLD BRIDES,
13-YEAR-OLD BRIDES, OR HOWEVER HIDEOUSLY YOUNG THEY WERE BACK
IN THE MID-19TH CENTURY AS HE FOUNDED MORMONISM, AND WAS THE
ONLY GUY WHO COULD READ THE HAT. IT’S A REGULAR BUNCH OF WIVES
AND THEY CAN BE SUPER YOUNG. YOU CAN’T READ IT? I CAN READ IT. REALLY? ONLY ME? WEIRD. IT’S DISGUSTING, IT’S DISGUSTING
WHAT HE WAS SAYING. IT REALLY IS. HE ALSO SAYS THE YOUTH READY FOR
MARRIAGE IS READY TO BEAR CHILDREN. “UNLIKE MODERN SOCIETY,
SCRIPTURE SEES THE WOMEN AS A BEARER, NURSER AND RAISER OF
CHILDREN.” VIDEO BUFFERING ñ I REMEMBER WHEN THAT STORY
CAME OUT, IT WAS A HUGE SCANDAL. IT WAS JOSH. IT WAS JOSH DUGGAR. THERE WERE A LOT OF REPORTS
ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS THAT THE DUGGARíS TRUSTED. THEY WANTED TO BRUSH THESE
ISSUES UNDER THE RUG, THEY WENT TO RELIGIOUS LEADERS
INSTEAD OF AUTHORITIES, AND A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT THESE
RELIGIOUS LEADERS WERE INVOLVED IN WERE QUESTIONABLE AS
WELL, AT LEAST THE WAY THAT THEY DEALT WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT,
AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO YEAH, THIS TYPE OF
LANGUAGE DOESN’T SURPRISE ME. IT’S THIS NOTION THAT WOMEN
ARE THERE FOR THE SEXUAL ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HUSBANDS, AND
ALSO TO BEAR CHILDREN AND TO HAVE VERY TRADITIONAL FEMALE
GENDER ROLES, AND THAT’S THAT. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHETHER OR NOT
SHE CONSENTS TO IT. I CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS
ABOUT WHAT HE BELIEVES ABOUT CONSENT, BUT HE JUST SAYS, THIS
IS WHAT GOD WANTS, AND AS RESULT THE FATHERS ARE THE
ONES YOU GET TO DO THE NEGOTIATING ABOUT THE MARRIAGE,
AND IT DOESN’T MATTER IF THE BOY OR THE GIRL, OR THE MAN
OR THE WOMAN CONSENT TO THIS. IT’S DISGUSTING.

100 thoughts on ““Quiverfull” Cult Plans Arranged Marriage Camp For Teens

  • Putting the stupid quiverfuck and arranged marriage bullshit aside for a second:

    Finding 14/15 year old girls attractive is disgusting? I had a 15 year old girlfriend when i was 17, and she was hot. Now that i am 28 – is my brain rewired to think that that same girl was not hot? No.

    Its a cultural thing where people want kids to stay kids for as long as possible, but we all know that after nature (puberty) kicks in we start doing sexual things.

  • I got my period when in 4/5th grade! I was 10. That means I was "marriage ready" at 10, now I'm 28 and am happily hopelessly single.

  • These guys are terrified that, allowed to make their own choices, young women will choose more viable life partners and the male cultists will be left womanless. They fear competition.

  • Yea and I remember when the Lena Dunham case came out before the Duggar one, where she did the exact same thing as Josh Duggar and TYT let her off. The one thing to this day that really grinds my gears about them. I am inclined to agree with them on a lot of things but letting Dunham get a pass was inexcusably hypocritical

  • What is this Saudi Arabia?!?
    And how is this any different from sex slaves and breeder farms?
    Religious pervs.
    This is America, and every male and female should choose their own mates…and NEITHER should be adolescents!

  • With Ben's seeming shock at the name, I would like to point out the small detail that "quiverfull" is not what they call themselves, and they apparently greatly dislike the term. But it's stuck, and they're stuck with it.

  • It is absolutely ridiculous to say when someone else should get married. If a person doesn't feel like getting married, he/she is not ready to do so.
    If it was a prerequisite to procreation, then maybe you could argue when someone was ready to do so, but even still nobody would have the right to force or pressure someone to tie the knot.
    If you never want to get married or have children, that is perfectly fine. In the end marriage is pretty much meaningless and the world is already overpopulated as it is.

  • Josh Duggar actually assaulted FOUR of his sisters AND their female babysitter. And because they're left in the dark about sex, the young girls couldn't even identify their own anatomy on the police report!! That cult needs to be stopped.

  • do not comment on Mormonism in conjunction with this, Warren Jeff's surd, your facts are skewed or false, educate yourself.

  • everything about this video just turns my stomach. I thought the US was supposed to be a 1st world country and you still allow shit like this to go on?

  • Josh Duggar molested 4 of his sisters and a babysitter, if anyone was curious of the exact number.

  • what is so Ronge. with it it's there belief if we r to tree everyone equile way r u downing them if gas can be married transsexuals use there preferences gender rest room who's to say they are Ronge.

  • Quiverfull- like a arrow quiver that is full. I think it directly relates to a quiver full of kids. Like in the days when 1800s when you needed a bunch of kids to tend the farm, to help with the store etc.

  • So I was ready for marriage and having babies at the age of 9? This guy should be sentanced to life in prison just got that idea.

  • That guys whole 'breasts' idea is so disgusting to me especially, because I was only eight when I hit puberty. This whole group is disgusting

  • The "breasts" thing is actually from the Bible: Song of Solomon 8:8 "We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts: what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for?" ("spoken for" as in "someone asks for her hand in marriage"). At least that is what I think they're referring to.

  • "Truly true"? I guess the next rightwards reiteration of Christian fundamentalism will be "truly truly true".

  • Also, girls are entering puberty earlier and earlier. It has nothing to do with "maturity" but with the amount of body fat you have. The age girls start puberty now means that their pelvis is not yet adapted for childbirth. In countries were girls have traditionally been married off at puberty, the health consequences of these now much earlier marriages have been horrific.

  • This is really no different from what the Amish do yet people practically worship them. They flood Amish areas pouring so much tourist dollars into their hands. The only difference between The Amish and other groups who do this is they do not voice their hatred and disdain of us.

  • I'd be interested to see the pedophilic pastor's judgement about the readiness for marriage of my severely mentally handicapped cousin…she's about 18 years old now, still incapable of any form of coherent communication (forget verbal), routinely punches herself in the throat/causes herself harm, wears diapers, and randomly bites and pulls the hair of anyone who gets close enough. But her breasts are larger than mine, and I'm 8 months pregnant. So…time to play the wedding march, right?

  • Basically, they want them married and pregnant before they are capable of moving out of the parents home and developing any kind of independence. That way, they are trapped and will most likely never get of cult.

  • I know people like this and one of the father's at a friends wedding wanted to do this with me and a friend. It was seriously creepy. There is no excuse for this kind of thing.

  • This woman's understanding of what quiverfull means is so wrong. There is no rule about what age you need to marry. There is no encouragement to have many children. It's just being willing to have as many children as you naturally concieve. You should not TRY to have more than you would natraully. Breastfeeding will space children, and some quiverfull couples are infertile and do not seek IVF. Also quiverfull women don't have to follow this group the Duggar are involved in. I sure dont. Many dont. It only refers to not using birth control, that is it. And guess what? Many people believe in arranged marriage, and your veiw of marriage is much newer. I would never force my girls to marry someone they don't want to, of course, but I do hope that they care deeply about my and their fathers views on ther future spouse.

  • I also find it interesting that these people think it's just great for 14yr old girls to have sex with multiple partners and have abortions yet getting married and having children by 18 is horrible?

  • Just a fun fact: Just because a girl gets her period and has breasts DOES NOT mean it's safe for her to have children. If I had gotten pregnant at 13, there would have been a slew of medical issues and I could have died. I had a friend who got her period at age nine, you can't reasonably believe a nine year old CHILD is ready to have children both physically and mentally. Puberty doesn't start and end at the age a girl begins menstruation, there's still a lot of development that needs to happen. I grew almost a foot from age 13 to 17 so clearly I wasn't ready for a child to wreck my body before I was done developing. I have a thousand other issues with the Quiverfull movement but I'll just address this one for now…

  • A quiver is something that holds arrows. There is no quivering in it. It is not sexual, that said the movement is beyond sick!

  • The quiverfull cult is an evil sick cult and supports child abuse and women being abused by their husbands.

  • I am Jehovah's Witness, and I am so glad it is not this way in my faith. Women and men can choose who they marry so long as we marry within our faith. Furthermore, women are not treated like property. Women do not have to be at a man's beckon call whenever he wants to have sex. Sex in a marriage is a mutual thing. Wives are also not treated like slaves in our faith. Religions that promote such mistreatment of women it's just really sad honestly. Oh yes, and we who are Jehovah's Witnesses also believe in using birth control if we choose to use it. It woman does not have to reproduce continuously until her body falls apart or until she dies. Finally, women are not sexualized in our faith. It doesn't matter about her breast or what kind of body she has. It is just so crazy that so much focus is put on it in this quiver full movement. Not to mention, there is no such age that a person needs to be married by. Marriage should only happen when both parties are mature enough to handle the responsibilities and completely understand what they're getting into.

  • I am really curious how this movement would handle a woman who would actually be put at serious risk if she gets pregnant. How would they treat her? What if she has a genetic condition that she can pass on to all of her children, such as mitochondrial disease? What if pregnancy could put her at risk of losing her life? Does this movement even addressed those things? I really am curious.

  • bull pucky!$!! they don't have a "strict interpretation " of the bible..THEY HAVE SLANDERED AND MISQUOTED THE ENTIRE BIBLE!!! THAT'S IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM CHRISTIANITY.
    THAT'S CULT PROPHECY

  • oh yea!!! I'm sure that perverted SOB WANTS VERY YOUNG GIRLS…SICK SICK SICK BABY RAPING PEDOPHILES

  • Absolutely disgusting!! I needed a bra before I was 10; according to this guy I should have been married off then?!😳

  • Women reaching 'sexual maturity' (by 'Quiverfull's' standards) at 13 or 14? Nah! It's worse than that. Many of the girls in my class would've fit that definition by fourth and/or fifth grade, between the ages of 9 yrs. & 11 yrs. old. Waaay too young!

  • because of the importance put on having boys in china the difference between male and female population is drastically unbalanced. There has been a rise in young girls being kidnapped and raised to be a wife for the abductors young son.

  • haha…americans are getting crazier by the second… and they say they are christians??? not on my book…Jesus , never defended this crazy ideas

  • i know all about this from first hand experience. Some of these comments are not really right. These camps give girls and boys a chance to meet each other. Fathers do not arrange marriages. Gender roles are rigid, yes. Families are large and birth control is not used, yes. You are not required or encouraged to marry before 20, no. . But it does happen — maybe 20% of the kids marry before their 20th birthday, more often with the girls. There is no shame in being single at 25 except for the very stupidest of these clans. It's very very old fashioned. Nobody doesn't chose their own marriage partner. Never say anything close to that. They are not forced to marry anybody. This guy commenting about having breasts means you are ready to marry is not a solid representative of this group. The main real problems, I think , in the quiverful movement are (1) not free to use birth control (causes many to leave the movement or avoid marriage altogether) and (2) parents' fear of sending kids to college, even Christian colleges.

  • Apparently David and Louise Turpin, recently arrested in California for torturing their 13 children in a state of extended captivity, are members of the Quiverfull cult. Confirmed through Wikipedia and other sources. Like the Duggar Family, who founded the Quiverfull "movement," all of the Turpins' children's names started with the letter J, and at least one cult expert lawyer has called David Turpin the patriarchal leader of a religious doomsday cult, where Turpin fancied himself a "mythical leader." Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in her bathtub on January 20, 2001, was also a member of Quiverfull. She was pronounced not guilty by reasons of insanity, with an official diagnosis of postpartum psychosis. A poem criticizing her fitness to be a mother, sent to her by another Quiverfull member the day she killed her children, was allegedly the straw that finally put her over the edge.

  • what ticks me off is that this isn't actually Biblical. It puts a lot more responsibility on the man and women who earned and managed money were respected.

  • Gross…Who knew how demented these people were..great going tlc…Not Godly! And clearly raising perverts. And from my experience with these types of radical christians..they are ruthless with wanting others to be perfect..yet usually are not even close to Godly themselves..I refuse to get married just to weed out the rotten judgmental christians.

  • When you actually go back and look at when women entered their first marriages and the ages of their first husbands, you see that it was not at all common for a woman to wed before she was 16 to 18 if she lived in the country and 20 to 24 if she lived in a village or city.

    This is because back then, they knew something that we know today, but largely ignore — the younger the mother, the more likely there are to be complications in the pregnancy.

    There was never an actual time where girls got married at 12 or 13, not in the middle ages europe that pedophiles are so likely to name — yes, sometimes girls did get pregnant that young, but then, abortion was not the anathema that some like to pretend it is today.

    Also, the ages of the men at their first marriage? Usually within 2 years of her age, with the exception of when he was a widower with very young children — in which case, the ages were still close, but could vary more.

    (but the widower with young children was entirely unlikely to wed a 13yo because contrary to popular belief, he probably wasn't a pedo and would rather wed an actual adult.)

  • It is a great idea. Young people need help to find a suitable person to marry, and more people should marry younger, and more people should have big families.

    Huh? $1200? Isn't that rather expensive?

  • Lots was spoken about the daughters, but the sons as well are often victims. They both get their personal choice to grow and choose taken away.

    She’s got it… most of the time it’s cultural, not often religious….
    It can be well meaning, but it too often goes so wrong.

  • This is why fake chrinanity and fake teaching is wrong and bad. Cults are dangerous and of the devil and Satan.

  • I love how he says sexually mature at 13 or 14 like thats shocking. Try 10 or 11 which is how ild most ppl are. I know some thay were 7 and 9, including myself. The youngest person to get pregnant in the world was 5.

  • The marriage thing in China is not always true. My Chinese teachers are both 24 and their families weren't pushing them to marry their boyfriends. The one didn't even have a boyfriend but she is looked up to because she is working on her master's degree in teaching Chinese and learning English. China is becoming more liberal and they look up to the United States.

  • I grew up in Quiverfull, and my parents were going to arrange my marriage, so I ran away and joined a cult. I'm better now, lol

  • I’m glad I’m not a part of this religion. So what happens to women whose bodies can’t handle bearing children and such because of an illness? What happens then? This is what we get when man strays away from the Word makes up his own laws. Disgraceful!

  • I agree with these people it is degusting ten yr olds are just kids and anybody who says different are pedophiles just like Mormons worship one (Joseph smith )

  • Isn't it more a problem in China that there r more men than women? Centuries of girl baby killing in India and China… terrible

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